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Old April 1st, 2010, 02:54 PM
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Fish Oil Research

In the metabolism advantage it mentions research from the university of western ontario and discussed that fish oil showed to give an 400 calorie per day boost in metabolism. Does anybody know where I can find that research?

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Old April 1st, 2010, 04:20 PM
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Uhhh... So simply by adding fish oil I can lose 3-4 lbs a month?

I don't think so.
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Old April 1st, 2010, 04:52 PM
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Hi there,

I wouldn't necesarily say you could loose 3-4 lb a month, however, the COMBINATION of a good diet, regular exercise, and use/supplement of fish oils you COULD loose weight..

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17490962 Here is an article that sites that both fish oil and exercise ALONE can help increase ones chance to loose weight, however, when done in combination it may be a more effective protocol then one of the treatments alone.

Nonetheless, Fish oils offer a plethora of benefits that goes beyond metablolism, and weight lose.

According to Charles Poliquin, fish oils offer thirteen possible advantages:

1. Cell membrane health: EPA and DHA insure that cell membranes remain healthy. This means that the membranes are flexible and contain larger numbers of insulin receptors that are more receptive and responsive to circulating insulin. This results in decreased fat storage in the adipocytes (fat cells).

2. Fish oils turn on the lipolytic genes (fat burning genes).

3. Fish oils turn off the lipogenic genes (fat storage genes).

4. Fish oils diminish C-reactive proteins, a newly identified risk factor associated with various inflammatory diseases, including atherosclerosis, angina, coronary heart disease, heart attack, stroke, congestive heart failure, and diabetes. The DHA fraction of the fish oil seems to be one most responsible for that protective effect. DHA also has the best ability to reduce blood pressure.

5. Increase utilization of fat stores from the adipocytes.

6. Preferential utilization for energy production once stored in the adipocytes.

7. Reduced inflammation from physical training.

8. Pain management from the reduced inflammation.

9. EPA regulates blood supply to the brain which is essential in maintaining focus in weight training sessions. DHA is important in brain membranes, memory, and cognitive function.

10. Fish oils increase serotonin levels (the happy neurotransmitter). Therefore, fish oils will decrease incidence of depression, anxiety, panic attack, and reduce carbohydrate cravings.

11. Fish oils will improve your cardiovascular risk profile by lowering VLDL, triglycerides, homocysteine, fibrinogen, and increasing HDL levels. Combining fish oils with plant sterols will improve lipid levels even more than either alone.

12. Fish oils can also decrease blood pressure by several mechanisms. These include increases in the vasodilatory compound, nitric oxide, reducing vascular inflammation, blocking the constrictive elements in the vascular wall such as the calcium channels reducing blood viscosity, and inhibiting a blood vessel constrictor (thromboxane). Lipoprotein (a) is another CVD predictor that can be lowered by fish oils (a 19% reduction was seen with natural, stable fish oils and just 4% with a highly purified fish oil).

13. Fish oils are a great stress fighter. ( inhibits the adrenal activation of steroids, aldosterone, epinephrine, and norepinephrine (catecholamines) elicited by a mental stress, apparently through effects exerted at the level of the central nervous system. )

In essense: Take your fish oils.. they are good for you
ps- most of the reasons above are also why there is an increase in metabolism! woohoo
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Old April 8th, 2010, 11:59 PM
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I find that hard to believe as well, just from simply taking fish oil, to have that kind of boost. We're talking about 20-30% increase for many people.

That being said, fish oil supplementation is obviously an important part of any fat loss plan.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 11:19 AM
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I'm not feeling offended here, so don't take it that way. However, I'm just curious...and am wondering why someone might think I'd reference a published study, then publish the results in The Metabolism Advantage, when there wasn't evidence supporting the idea?

Again, I'm not upset. I'm just wondering as I hear things like this from time to time - like, "Well, I don't believe that." And it makes me curious about the skepticism.

BTW, here's the study supporting this idea:

EFFECTS OF VARYING DOSES OF FISH OIL SUPPLEMENTATION ON RESTING METABOLIC RATE AND BODY COMPOSITION
E.E. Noreen, R.J. Petrella, FACSM, P.W.R. Lemon, FACSM. (Sponsor: P.W.R. Lemon)
University of Western Ontario, London ON

Several studies have shown that rodents accumulate less body fat when fed a diet rich in fish oil (FO) when compared to an isoenergetic diet rich in other fat. However, little is known about this effect in humans. PURPOSE: 1) To determine the effect of supplemental FO on resting metabolic rate (RMR) and body composition and 2) To determine if there is a difference in response to varying doses of FO. METHODS: 32 healthy men and women (50+16 y, mean+SD) participated in this study. Baseline measurements were made following an overnight fast. Body composition was assessed by whole body densitometry using air displacement. RMR was measured by indirect calorimetry using a face mask. Blood samples were analyzed for glucose, triglycerides (TG), and insulin. 24h urine creatinine (CR) was measured. Subjects were matched for fat free mass and assigned to one of four groups: Safflower oil (SO) - 9g/d; Low FO (LFO) - 3g/d concentrated FO supplying 900 mg eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and 600 mg docosahexaenoic acid (DHA); Medium FO (MFO) - 6g/d FO supplying 1.8g EPA and 1.2g DHA per day; High FO (HFO) - 9g/d FO supplying 2.7g EPA and 1.8g DHA. All tests were repeated following 28d of treatment. RESULTS: RMR increased in all FO groups following supplementation (LFO 488+199 kcal/d, p<0.05; mean+SEM, MFO 196+48 kcal/d, p<0.1, HFO 141+83 kcal/d, p>0.1) and decreased in the SO (-65+77, p>0.1). Urinary CR excretion increased in all FO groups (LFO 30+80 mg/d, p>0.1, MFO 60+50 mg/d, p>0.1, HFO 200+100 mg/d p<0.1) and decreased in the SO (-260 +160 mg/d, p<0.05). Serum TG decreased significantly in all FO (p<0.05), with no change in SO. Body composition changes were not significant. CONCLUSION: 28d of FO supplementation increases RMR in humans; however, lean mass changes do not appear to be responsible.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 11:27 AM
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Hard to argue with a study with results like that.
And, I'm not trying to come off as doubting it's validity, but are there other studies showing the same thing?

Using a MedGem, I've done well over 100 metabolic tests and I find that most females for example have an RMR around 1300-1600 cals/day.
Simply taking fish oil would cause them a 30% increase in metabolic rate, which would seem to have very dramatic effects, with no other changes in diet or exercise.

That being said, I think the take home message is the same.
Take fish oil and it will help your metabolism and with body fat.
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or algae oil.
plant based alternative - it's the fish food afterall; higher in DHA, too

i like vpure. though their portion sizes are rather small...

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Simply taking fish oil would cause them a 30% increase in metabolic rate, which would seem to have very dramatic effects, with no other changes in diet or exercise.
in none of the groups was there any lean mass changes for the increased metabolism "Body composition changes were not significant."


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Old April 14th, 2010, 12:47 PM
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Thank you for posting the link Dr. Berardi
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Old April 20th, 2010, 01:38 PM
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It's been recommended to take 1g/1% of body fat.

This is a lot of fish oil for someone 30-40% body fat.
If one were to use Flameout, would be sufficient to take less since it's much more potent?

What about Optimum Nutrition brand that is 1g/pill 300mg EPA/DHA. Would it be suggested to still take 30-40 pills/day?
Or would just hitting the 3-6g EPA/DHA be enough?
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