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Old March 31st, 2012, 04:25 PM
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Lectins and phytates

Hi.

I don't eat grain anymore because of the lectins and phytates in them.

I've also heard, however, that potato, tomato, beans, legumes and some nuts are rich in lectin as well.

What can I do when almost all that I don't want to eat because of these are also the things that give you Resistant Starch?

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Old March 31st, 2012, 05:48 PM
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Hey Kevin do a little search around here under paleo and such and you will find out a lot about this.

A question would be why are you afraid of these foods? Did someone tell you to avoid them?

The dangers of these are overblown as you'll find out unless you have an intolerance to such foods. Hope this helps!
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Old March 31st, 2012, 06:03 PM
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I'll read the paelo stuff, thanks

But.. really? Overblown? Well, what I've read from lectins and phytates suggests possible cell-deaths if ingested in large quantaties and unabsorption of some micronutrients, such as iron.

Also increased fat-synthetisation seems to be possible with phytates.

Furthermore, grains have unneeded amounts of carbs :D
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Old March 31st, 2012, 08:30 PM
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I'll read the paelo stuff, thanks

But.. really? Overblown? Well, what I've read from lectins and phytates suggests possible cell-deaths if ingested in large quantaties and unabsorption of some micronutrients, such as iron.

Also increased fat-synthetisation seems to be possible with phytates.

Furthermore, grains have unneeded amounts of carbs :D
well, meat has lectins in it as well. So I guess you can't eat anything, huh? It makes you wonder how humanity has lasted the last 35000 years.

What I have observed is that when I eat hamburgers from White Castle and baked beans from KFC, I get fat and farty. When I make meat and beans at home from scratch, I lose weight and never fart (except when I am sick).
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Old April 1st, 2012, 10:22 AM
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Hmn...

Are you suggesting I keep on eating grains? Do you see any negative effects of me not eating grains?

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I eat grains rarely. If I eat them at all, it is for a post workout meal. All I'm saying is to use common sense. Regardless of what some article says, grains have been a staple of the historical man (I cannot really speak for the prehistorical paleolithic man) for ten thousand years. People haven't been obese all that time. I personally think the problem with grains is they are almost stand-alone nutritional dynamos. Amaranth, for example, or millet has protein, carbs, vitamins, and calories. What else could you ask for? The problem arises when you incorporate this resourceful food into a diet that already is over-stuffed with the superfluidity of all the other foods that we in the first world have access to.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 03:17 PM
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I would have to argue against that - people didn't live more than about 28-30 years old back in the old days (1600 and before), and 40 was damn rare. People also worked their butts off in manual labour all the time, so they really couldn't get fat.

Phytates, being anti-nutrients, really actually take a lot of those micronutrients away from your absorption, so grains don't really have all that much in them. Depending on the grain of course.

And as far as I have understood, grain lectins actually bind to your adipose tissues making the cellular wall thinner and more likely to pass excess glucose inside itself, thus making you fatter (unless you work out like hell).
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Old April 1st, 2012, 03:32 PM
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I would have to argue against that - people didn't live more than about 28-30 years old back in the old days (1600 and before), and 40 was damn rare. People also worked their butts off in manual labour all the time, so they really couldn't get fat.

Go to the museum and look at all those statues of bald, old Roman senators. There was no paucity of old people in the ancient world. But I'm not here to convert you. If you're not willing to buy that the whole anti-nutrient thing is an over-blown marketing gimmick, then don't eat the grains. It certainly won't hurt you to abstain as long as you're getting all your nutrients from one of the other food groups that you haven't proscribed.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 04:05 PM
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I will address this by stating my experiences with paleo. I started about 4 months ago, and in that time, have never felt better. I corrected a nagging GI issue that was worrisome (and not something to mention here) but on going paleo for the first 2 months, it was completely resolved. This after being standard low fat/high protein for most my life (eating what I thought were healthy whole grains and such), then vegan for nearly 2 years (which made it MUCH worse), then onto paleo.

All I can suggest is that you try it for 30-60 days and see how you go. That should really be the prescription for every eating plan. Sure, I can get into the biochem and physiology about it and hold my own, but to what end? I'm not going to argue and defend an eating plan that has clearly improved my health and body composition. We all do what we think is best right? I can now finally see my abs clearly and am gaining in all my lifts. Mood swings (which were incidentally coinciding with my glucose/insulin responses) are gone, not tired mid-day any longer, etc.

Again, I'm not trying to defend this way of life, but paleo worked for me and many others, and all it takes is 1-2 months to try it. And yes, grains and legumes are definitely not a part of the diet. And neither is dairy.

I only offered this comment because it seems that you haven't done it yet and are debating if you should. But be aware, like anything, it needs to be 100% commitment or nothing at all.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 05:00 PM
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Actually you are wrong there - I haven't eaten grains in 6 months. I feel great! My problem is that seeing as lectins are in even tomatos, we really can't get rid of them.

So, this being the case, where am I supposed to get my resistant starch from, when I don't eat almost anything with it.

Also, as you can see from other posts, there is little certainty about the lectins and phytates
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